PoDcast: The Bible in Black and Red, Episode 22
"The Death of Sarah" (with Rabbi Sarah and Pastor Sarah)
The Word in Black and Red
“The Death of Sarah”
With Rabbi Sarah Noyo and Pastor Sarah TevisTownes. Host: Micah Benji Belong
December 4, 2023.
The following transcript was created with support from otter.ai and edited by me for accuracy.
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Introduction (Micah) 0:00
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“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep.”
This is the Word in Black and Red.
Micah 0:48
Hello, and welcome to The Word in Black and Red, where we read the Bible from a leftist and liberationist perspective to elucidate the way people of faith and their comrades can understand the Bible as a source of healing love and liberation for all people.
I am your host Micah Belong, “The Wise old Lama Enby” and I will be joined today by the wonderful Pastor Sarah and Rabbi Noyo, who is also Sarah, so it's a Sarah-filled episode today, where we are talking about the death and burial of the biblical Sarah.
We're gonna go ahead and dive on into that text in Genesis 23:
Sarah lived to be a hundred and twenty-seven years old. 2 She died at Kiriath Arba (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan, and Abraham went to mourn for Sarah and to weep over her.
3 Then Abraham rose from beside his dead wife and spoke to the Hittites.[a] He said, 4 “I am a foreigner and stranger among you. Sell me some property for a burial site here so I can bury my dead.”
5 The Hittites replied to Abraham, 6 “Sir, listen to us. You are a mighty prince among us. Bury your dead in the choicest of our tombs. None of us will refuse you his tomb for burying your dead.”
7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of the land, the Hittites. 8 He said to them, “If you are willing to let me bury my dead, then listen to me and intercede with Ephron son of Zohar on my behalf 9 so he will sell me the cave of Machpelah, which belongs to him and is at the end of his field. Ask him to sell it to me for the full price as a burial site among you.”
10 Ephron the Hittite was sitting among his people and he replied to Abraham in the hearing of all the Hittites who had come to the gate of his city. 11 “No, my lord,” he said. “Listen to me; I give[b] you the field, and I give[c] you the cave that is in it. I give[d] it to you in the presence of my people. Bury your dead.”
12 Again Abraham bowed down before the people of the land 13 and he said to Ephron in their hearing, “Listen to me, if you will. I will pay the price of the field. Accept it from me so I can bury my dead there.”
14 Ephron answered Abraham, 15 “Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels[e] of silver, but what is that between you and me? Bury your dead.”
16 Abraham agreed to Ephron’s terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants.
17 So Ephron’s field in Machpelah near Mamre—both the field and the cave in it, and all the trees within the borders of the field—was deeded 18 to Abraham as his property in the presence of all the Hittites who had come to the gate of the city. 19 Afterward Abraham buried his wife Sarah in the cave in the field of Machpelah near Mamre (which is at Hebron) in the land of Canaan. 20 So the field and the cave in it were deeded to Abraham by the Hittites as a burial site.
Micah
This little play that we have going on here is a story that doesn't seem like it would necessarily fit into the Bible. But it still has something to teach us about a culture that is very different from our own, that can help us inform the way that we ought to be acting with other folks. But I'm just interested in your all's takes on this strange story to try and contextualize it for us.
Pastor Sarah 3:52
Well, it's interesting you say you're not sure that it has a place in the story necessarily, because the folks who put together the Revised Common Lectionary did not think it did. If you go to a church that uses a Revised Common Lectionary, you will never hear this story read in church. So you're hearing never before heard story on this podcast if your mainline crossed,
Micah 4:15
Rabbi - now of course, y'all do read the story in the Jewish tradition. How do you all understand this story? And how do you relate this when you are preaching on this to make this strange story come alive for your folks?
Rabbi Sarah 4:28
Well, it's funny that you asked me that specifically because I have never written a sermon on this particular scene. But your question is, really, how would I take this story and turn it into a teaching and there is a lot in here like what jumps out at me when it comes to this dialog, something that could be useful to modern people is their communication style with each Whether a throne and Abraham, there's some discussion from scholars and rabbis about whether this was a real negotiation or not. Was it frozen? saying like, no, please just take the land because this kind of like exaggerated generosity is just like part of the process. He's not actually expected to give it for free. And Abraham is not expected to accept it for free. It's just this is how you have an exchange where you show respect for each other, please, no, I want to gift it to you please, no, take my money. Right?
Pastor Sarah 5:36
Like, oh, let me do paying for the check. No, I got it. Oh, no, you really don't have to. And then you all… you already know from the beginning, who's gonna take the bill.
Rabbi Sarah 5:45
Exactly. So that I think is probably what most scholars and historians of the Bible would, I think that they would probably mostly agree that that's what's going on, as opposed to, this is actually a negotiation. However, as is my style, I will sometimes say, Well, I'm gonna go with the road less traveled, because it's more interesting. And say, maybe a throne was actually trying to give this man who was grieving his wife, a free place to bury his beloved, because a throne is just that nice. And Abraham was refusing because of something deeper. And that is probably what I would delve into in a sermon is why was it so important to Abraham, that he paid for this land? And I think that what would come out of that is, you know, talking about things like shame over not being able to do things yourself over not being independent of accepting help of living in poverty, what does it mean to do something for yourself, I remember growing up, my parents and other adults would often say things like, you know, if you save your own allowance and buy that thing with your own money, it will mean more to you, and you'll take better care of it, that maybe there's a little of that going on. That's the kind of modern stuff that absolutely exists and applies today that I can see under the tech.
Pastor Sarah 2 7:14
Yeah, I totally resonate with that, too. Having we just started hosting people who are also immigrants, right, Abraham starts out by saying, I'm, I'm not from around here, you know, y'all been already, you know, really generous to me, but to give Abraham options, right? When people have been traumatized, and they feel powerless, one of the things that can really help people heal is for them to have agency and to have options. And so in a way, I wonder if, if letting Abraham pay is also a gift in and of itself, because Abraham, even though it sounds like he has plenty of wealth, you know, being a stranger among you, he says that that definitely creates a sense of powerlessness. And I think, yeah, if I were going to preach this, I'd probably go in a similar direction, but also talk about the current experience of people who are migrants in our country and how they're exploited. And here's an example of someone saying, I'm gonna give you options, in addition to generosity, you're not just someone who's like, I'm taking pity on you, or someone I respect .
Micah 8:14
What his story says is such a stark contrast to just a couple of chapters earlier, where we see Sodom being talked about, right, Sodom and Gomorrah, these places that it was so dangerous to that lat sat on the outside of the city, to warn outsiders not to come in, right. And where you know, there are all of these stories about about outsiders being starved outside the gates, and then the people being going and taking all of the things right. And so like, it's not just a, you're going to be oppressed if you come here, and the only reason we let lat come here is because he was wealthy, it's this additional, like, not only are you going to be oppressed here, we're going to leave you with no dignity, like we're not even gonna give you a proper burial. We're gonna go out and steal all of your things. Versus in this chapter where we see just the opposite happening. Right? There is this profound respect, there's this profound dignity that are given to all people, even the outsider, even the foreigner who is among them.
Rabbi Sarah 9:10
And another interesting layer. This outsider has in fact been promised that entire land by God already we're in the land of Canaan, Kanaan, which is the land take yourself go to the land that I will show you, like, leave your father's home, the land, you were born and go there, and that land will be yours. Well, here he is, he's in that land. He has to pay for it. So it's just another interesting layer. It makes the rabbi's wonder was Abraham at any point questioning God like I thought that this was going to be my land Why do I have to pay for it if it was going to just be given to me by God God Self, but maybe there was something else at play. You know, like as pastor Sarah was saying that maybe the payment actually did more for him than the gift of land would have And he did experience a lot of trauma recently, not only the death of his wife, but he also had just come off the mountain of near where he nearly sacrificed his beloved Isaac, who is now not talking to him because of that,
Pastor Sarah 10:14
Right! So he's dealing with that estrangement and that Panic of, oh my gosh, is this really the God that I worship? Who wants me to kill my own child, the child that was born in this miraculous way when I was super old…
Rabbi Sarah 10:25
And this whole episode may have in fact caused the death of his wife. There's Midrash, Jewish fanfic, filling in the gaps because you have Abraham nearly sacrificing Isaac on a mountain. And then it says, it came down the mountain, Isaac went this way, Abraham went that way. Next chapter, Sara is dead. Like it opens with, she lived to be 127 years old. And Abraham now needs to bury her. So like what happened in between there. And so there's Midrash stories that speculate and that fun angel that isn't very nice satire on the adversary plays a part in some of these stories, including where Sutton shows up at Sarah's residence disguised as Isaac to say, My father is about to sacrifice me. And if he hadn't been stopped with his hand and the knife in the air, I would be dead right now. And the shock killed her. There's another Midrash, in which Isaac is talking to Abraham. And he says, maybe while he's on the altar, maybe afterwards, he says, Dad, don't tell mom about this, because she might be on the roof while you tell her and it will make her faint, and she will fall to her death. So whether she falls to her death, because she hears it straight from her husband, or because she gets an account from Sutton. And then the tech says her soul flew out of her maybe just fancy political ways of saying she had a heart attack or died of a broken heart even
Pastor Sarah 12:02
I want to know what she's doing on a roof at 127… <laughs>
Rabbi Sarah 12:06
<laughter> Well, when, when your husband and your son are out, somebody's got to fix the leak.
Pastor Sarah 12:11
I'm also curious about the relationship with the Hittites because this comes up over and over and over again. And here the Hittites are seen as like incredibly magnanimous people. And then a couple chapters later, you have Esau is right at marriage tutor, and another woman who are the source of grief, Isaac and Rebecca, and they are Hittites.
Micah 12:30
Here in this story, We have Abraham, and from the Hittite, who are working out in a delicate balance of respect and mutuality, to say, you have something that I need, can I have it, I will pay you a fair wage for it. And that story going on. And there it seems like they're being treated as equals Abraham has a disadvantage of that society. And so he's he's being elevated up to a respected member of our community. And Ephron is not like losing face by doing that, right. Sarah is the victim of this oppressive structure and order that says you are only valuable if you contribute a child to your marriage. And so she goes about any way she can to bring Hagar in to convince Hagar to marry her gross old man husband. And yeah, marry in quotation marks, right? And then they have a kid and Sarah realizes this is not what I wanted. Like, instead of saying, Okay, we're gonna figure this out, we're gonna find a way to love each other becomes an abusive, I am getting rid of you, you are the immigrant in this situation. I'm getting rid of you and get out of here, again, in contrast to the story where Sarah is invited into this land where she is the outsider, because that's a that's a sign that the way that the people of God ought to be, rather than the people the way that people have got God have been.
Pastor Sarah 13:52
I hadn't made that connection.
Micah 13:54
Isaac is born, Ishmael gets sent away. Ishmael is basically sent off to die in the desert, right? It's only because God intervenes, and Hagar and Ishmael survive. And then it's like, Oh, so you were willing to sacrifice one of your kids? Are you willing to sacrifice this kid to and then when that sacrifice is being offered up, even though that sacrifice isn't actually made? Sarah dies out of grief, right? Because she's being put to the same test that she just made someone else undergo.
Rabbi Sarah 14:25
Wow, I am surprised I've never heard that before.
Pastor Sarah 14:27
I'd never made that connection. That's powerful.
Rabbi Sarah 14:31
Have you seen The Handmaid's Tale the TV show? I haven't seen the latest season. The main character is the handmade for this rich couple. And the woman of the house I kept thinking of this woman and how painful it was to even see the protagonist, this woman who can get pregnant and I am allowing my husband to have sex with her which is supposed to be an intimate and sacred act for me and My husband, and here's this other woman who has the ability to have children which I desperately want. So she gets the children, she gets the pleasure with my husband, like to say nothing of the fact that it's not pleasurable for the main character, but like, from the perspective of this wife that like this handmade, this person who was literally a sex slave still gets all these things that she wants, and it's not fair. And so even seeing her face infuriates her and and she abuses her, it's not hard for me to understand that, like, Sarah wants to banish this woman and her child, because that is everything she wants, and she can't have and it is so painful. The first time I mean the first time,
Pastor Sarah 15:49
But she can! She has a child. Like the second time she manages the second time she has what God has promised, it's just a reminder of for sure, it's a reminder, and I'm sure it's reinforced by her culture that says you're a failure if you're barren, quote, unquote, alright.
Rabbi Sarah 16:06
And Abraham, you know, we've talked about Abraham is, you know, he's doing well for himself. And God has made all of these promises for the future, and for his descendants, and Sarah wants her son to be the heir of all of those promises. But now there's another heir. And so maybe now that she got what she wanted, she's trying to actually preserve her progeny’s future and banishing Ishmael the second time is maybe an attempt to eliminate the second heir.
Pastor Sarah
And Ishmael is the older son also.
Rabbi Sarah
Yes, which means he would actually have even more privileges. But that's that is a common theme in the Bible, the overturn of primogeniture is what we learned in rabbinical school is what is called the younger surpassing the older it happens in several stories from Cain and Abel, Rachel and Leah, Jacob and Esau, Isaac and Ishmael, the David and Goliath.
Micah 17:12
Well, unlike, and that is always a metaphor for the fact that God has chosen the people of God out of a out of a nation. That was the second right, that wasn't the mightiest nation in that area, where David was The Last Son, and God is always on the side of the oppressed. But you know, just like Sarah finally gets what she wants, and then doesn't want to give that to anyone else. Well, what does that sound like in our modern day, people who have just come to this country as immigrants, who then want to close the door after them, right, Clarence Thomas, who benefited from affirmative action, is pulling up the ladder after him, right is saying nobody else gets to go to school because of affirmative action. It was just me and now that I'm here, I'm taking it away from the rest of you.
Pastor Sarah 17:54
This ties into the text because the reason he hates affirmative action is because when he was at this phenomenal school, everybody kept saying, Oh, you're here because of affirmative action. So people looked down on him all the time because they assumed that he was less than that he wasn't as smart. And he was just there because of his skin color. All right, and because of some policy at the school and he had wished, like so that's why he wants to banish affirmative action because people look down on him and people are racist and horrible to him. So it's not just that he wants to keep people out, it's uh, he doesn't want people to experience the shame and the right, that experience that he had, right,
Rabbi Sarah 18:32
So he's going to punish the wrong people! What it should be, is telling the racists to stop being racist. Instead, it's the band-aid rather, than the medicine.
Pastor Sarah 18:42
But I just think it's such a good tie in with today's story, because you have this lifting up of Abraham's dignity to say you're not a foreigner, I'm not going to have that be your most salient identity, you are someone that we respect. And then Abraham says, Yes, and I respect you. And they have this exchange. among equals, even though there is a power differential
Micah 19:02
That goes back to this metaphor, you know, that immigrants who have only been here, my family has only been here for 100 years, I, I'm sure that my grandmother can trace us back to the Revolutionary War, whatever, okay, we've been here 300 years, whatever, or 200 years. That's not that long. We are all immigrants who came to this country unless you are an indigenous American like we all came from somewhere else. And yet, who are the people who are who want to block everyone else from coming in? People who look like me who are not from this land, right, who were immigrants themselves who want to pull up the ladder after us. Just like in the book of Joshua, we will see the people of Israel killing the outsiders, the Hittites, the Canaanites, and the others who are no longer welcome this land where they were once welcomed.
Pastor Sarah 19:52
That's a scarcity mentality, I think part of it and, you know, living in somewhere, you know, I I live in New Mexico, water is scarce, crops are scarce. When there's a drought people hold much more tightly to the people close to them, and the people they can trust. And anyone who's threatening their family or their land or whatever, right? Like, when you're in a survival situation, I don't know. But in our country now, I think a lot of that's manufactured. Right? Most people's jobs are not at risk because of immigrants are at risk because of automation. And because of greedy capitalists, or because we're not enforcing rules that say slightly still, if we had work permits, for examples, we would have to pay people who are undocumented, who are currently undocumented, who are working in New Mexico, if you're an undocumented immigrant, and you have a ton of experience doing construction, you can make $400 for working six days, 12 hour days. Alright, $400 for that amount of time. Now, if we had work permits, those construction companies would have to pay those employees a living wage, why are we blaming the immigrants, right? They would love to work legally, they would love to be paid a living wage and have to compete with documented American citizens. But the reason that US citizens can't compete is because the companies are abusing labor.
Micah 21:27
And you're exactly right, the scarcity mentality right, where the immigrant getting a living wage does not take money out of your pocket. And, and with the blessing that goes to Isaac, like Isaac is blessed by having descendants that are as numerous as the stars in the sky. Guess what blessing is also given to Ishmael, almost exactly the same God, God is not skimping out on blessings here, like God has an abundance of blessings to give. Now, when when Isaac goes to give lessons to his descendants, because he's not God, he does have a limited number of blessings to give. But God has more than enough. And Sara still wants to kick out this person who could be stealing the inheritance from Abraham. And like that is just so true of the world that we live in. If all of us were happy to live off of, you know, something as as, as quote unquote, meager as $100,000. Let's say that the richest people in the world, they got to have a million dollars. Yeah, I know. Let's say the richest people in the world got to have a million dollars. We could live in a utopia, right? We could live in in a place that isn't destroying our Earth, we could live in a place where everyone is fed, we could live in a place where we don't waste things that just are useless. If we didn't waste all of our time, thinking that if you have enough to live, then that means that I'm not getting everything that I quote unquote, deserve.
Pastor Sarah 22:55
Yeah. What if we started thinking of things as not Democrats versus Republicans, but the super rich versus everybody else? Right? It's not the Hittite and the Philistines versus the people of Israel. And people like David Yeah, versus the shepherds. And you know that people are trying to live their lives he, the one, we find this in the Christian scriptures, too. It's the people who are exploiting the poor that Jesus is most vocal against. Yeah, he doesn't call out the Samaritans and say, Oh, they're the problem. He says, No, it's the super rich, they are the problem. And the people were exploiting the poor, that is not of God.
Micah 23:31
And you know, we talk about this so often, but it this is a leftist Bible study podcast. So we're going to talk it off. And that going through the eye of the needle is giving up all these burdens that you have to need to be rich, to need to have all this money to need have all these things that replace the fundamental lack of love that you feel wealth is not something that you need, if we were just content with what we have, like, I'm not saying that people can't have nice things, right? I am very much so a believer in Bread and Roses, right? We deserve to have enough to survive and to live a nice fulfilling life. What I want to do with my life is travel, right? I want to go and see the beautiful things that God has created all throughout the world and the beautiful cultures that live there. They've beautiful language as they speak all this. And all of us deserve to do that. But when we compare the blessing that we have, with the blessing of the people next to us, and instead of being grateful for what we have, like instead of Sarah, being grateful for Isaac, saying you can't have that you're not allowed to have anything, right. That is where the problem comes.
Pastor Sarah 24:33
That's the Cain and Abel thing. We've been doing this since the beginning. Is my sacrifice. Not good enough. Yeah.
Micah 24:40
Well, and I do think that wealth becomes an addiction for some people. And that's the problem. That's the way that the early church talks about it. If you have not already listened to our podcast, all riches come from injustice. You should listen to that podcast and read that book.
Pastor Sarah 24:55
But even the wealthy Abraham in our story today has to rely on the hospitality of strangers. It doesn't matter how much wealth you have, if you don't have a community that surrounds you, if you don't invest in people, you're, you're gonna end up like empty, right and alone. I mean, I watch, there's somebody in the congregation who's just been through surgery, and there hasn't been a day that people don't call on her and make sure she's okay and have enough food and all of this. I don't know how much money she has. But I know she has more than her weight in gold in terms of relationships. And that's because she's invested in caring for people her whole life. And now that she's sort of, you know, on the on the later end of things, people are caring for her. I think that's what's beautiful. And what I see in this story too, clearly, these men have a relationship of respect. And, you know, Abraham has contributed to the community in some way.
Rabbi Sarah 25:50
Yeah, he's lived there for a long time, he still has this outsider status. It's like, you know, I imagine it's similar to somebody who immigrated to somewhere in the United States, but still, like, has a heavy accent. And like, so there's, there's still a sense that people perceive them as outsider, even if they've lived in the United States for 50 years, even if they are a naturalized citizen, that like, they will always to some people be seen as immigrant first or outsider first. And I think that there's something similar here with Abraham, that he's, he's been in this community for some some time now. He's made a name for himself. He's well respected. And clearly, he has made contributions to the community that make people want to call on him in his in his moment of need. Like, I wonder how many people like if Jeff Bezos had surgery, how many people would call him every day of the week following.
Pastor Sarah 26:50
Only his employees that are worried about being fired? Probably. Right. And that's, that's also something I hear from super rich people, when I see them interviewed is that they have no idea who is an actual friend, unless they’re a friend from before they got rich, because everybody they assume wants something from them. And that sounds so lonely.
Micah 27:14
And like Abraham is a wealthy person, right? But it doesn't seem like he's as wealthy as he was when he was literally destroying the land underneath him. Right? With lat. It seems like he's not been going as hard. But he gives 400 shekels to this other person. Because if you're going to have any money, you should use it for other people, right? And you should use it to do the things that really matter. And ultimately, like all of us, we can be, again, we can live comfortable lives. But if our comfort comes at the expense of others, then we need to stop and consider how those things can change so that we can take care of the people around us as well. I love what you were saying, Rob, I know you about the importance of community care. And what I was really hoping you're going to say is that so often the self care that we are preached at to accept right is go spend money on this thing, go spend money on that thing…
Rabbi Sarah 28:08
Yeah. There's self care and then there's community care, and community care in many ways is probably more important than self care. Both are important, but…
Pastor Sarah 28:21
I thought you were gonna say it's gonna take care of yourself and get therapy or have a day off, so that you can be a better producer of goods.
Micah 28:31
But I thought, you thought.. <laughter> Just kidding. But the thing that I thought you were going to finish up with is the fact that like so often, and I think this ties into so much of what we've talked about tonight, so often, community care is self care, right? So often taking care of the people around you loving the people around you is investing in in loving yourself as well. You know, and that's why this command that comes, Jesus didn't pick it up, right, this is a this is a command that is in Leviticus that thy Hillel, the School of allow is elevated first, and Jesus is stealing from them. But you know, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, your soul and your mind and the love your neighbor as yourself is not saying different things. Right? Those aren't two separate commands. Those are those are the same command. Right? Were loving God is loving your neighbor, loving your neighbor is loving yourself loving yourself and your neighbor is loving God. And the deep interconnectedness of those things can help us live long and fulfilling lives rather than lives that like in this story of Sara, cause grief that cause grief that cause death, right? We can choose to love each other. Or we can choose the cycle of grief and death that that we just see permeates throughout so many of these stories. Do y'all have any any final thoughts before we close out?
Rabbi Sarah 29:56
Um, I just I just have a fun, a fun tidbit to highlight that maybe makes more sense at the beginning of the podcast, but I'm saying it at the end, Jews love to point out about this Torah portion, this section of we call it phi Saara the life of Sara. And it starts with a sentence Sara lived to be 127 years old when she died. The name of the portion is the life of Sara. And it begins with her death. And we just spent a bunch of time talking about her death, the circumstances, the impact the aftermath. But really what we were talking about is ways that we can give life to ourselves and to others.
Pastor Sarah 30:40
Amen. I feel… I don't love the word “blessed,” but…
Rabbi Sarah 30:45
You're not hashtag blessed? <laughter>
Pastor Sarah
because it assumes other people are not No, it's not my aesthetic.
Rabbi Sarah 30:51
That's not your aesthetic? <laughter> It is almost fall, it's almost Hashtag blessed season.
Pastor Sarah 30:59
I feel thankful…There are some ways in which I'm very much a stereotypical white girl. There are other ways where I just don't understand the culture. And that's one of them. I've never owned Ugg boots or had a pumpkin spice latte or said “Hashtag blessed” but I do feel really thankful that we that I got to hang out with y'all today.
Micah
I feel Hashtag blessed every time I get to hang out with y'all too.
Pastor Sarah
The one thing like the the stereotype I play into 100% is that I'm not afraid of any wild animal if they are fuzzy. So like, if there is a bear in the wild, I'd be like aw.... you're cute
Rabbi Sarah 31:35
“If not friend, why friend shaped?”
Pastor Sarah 31:39
Exactly! In my head, all wild animals are tameable if I'm just like, kind enough. And I heard somebody say that, that comes from the fact that a lot of white women spend a lot of time with white men, and they are the most like fragile and scary.
Rabbi Sarah
Ohhhh
Pastor Sarah
Yeah, and therefore…
Rabbi Sarah
You just blew my mind a little
Pastor Sarah 32:03
Yeah - less scary than a bear. So if we can pacifcy. <laughter> No. if we can remain safe, and talk our way through being around an angry white man, then a bears nothing.
Micah 32:14
Well, and this conversation about the fragility of white men goes back to a conversation that Pastor Sarah and Rob I know you were having before we started recording it was all about the fact that white men are the people who are most likely to come on to Tiktok and all the other places and harass them for being women who are leading congregations and being badass as Adam Can I can I say that like so go follow them at @disorganized.religion and follow Rabbi Sarah Noyo at rabbi.noyo. That is N-O-Y-O on all of the tiktoks and where are y’all?
Pastor Sarah 32:50
I'm on Instagram now also.
Rabbi Sarah 32:54
I am on Instagram where I mostly repost things that I put on Tik Tok or Facebook.
Micah 33:00
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So thank you all so much for everything you do for the show. And please share it with more people if you want it to continue to grow in this way. I'm not saying that we're coming for Magnificast, but look out just kidding. Now past Micah, take it away. “Thank you Future Micah, and of course you, our wonderful listener. Together we have made a wonderful and growing community on Discord that I look forward to being a part of every day. Your generous support on Patreon has already greatly increased the quality of our podcast, including this very outro as an extra little thank you. You can get episodes early along with a bunch of other cool perks, please follow the link in the show notes to join our Discord, Patreon and all of the other things I mentioned throughout this episode. If you'd like to reach me directly, you can reach me through the Discord or by email at the word in black and red@gmail.com. Now, Future Micah, say the profound sh*t.
And thank you, past Micah. Now go friends. And let us live a life that does not allow our blessings to become a distraction that allow us to see others and hate them for having the same that we do. But instead, let us have enough and build a world where all will have enough.
Shalom.
