How many people from the global majority regularly preach or lead worship in your congregation? How about people with disabilities? Women? Nonbinary people? People from different faiths? People who were once incarcerated? Homebound people?
Digital tools like short-form videos allow us to collaborate with people from groups that have historically been silenced by colonial systems of power. How might you collaborate with people from other social locations whose voices need amplifying?
Notes about Shawn and our choices in this collaboration are included below the video transcript.
TRANSCRIPT
Collaboration with Shawn Dromgoole of More than a Walk. Inc.
Sarah: So Shawn, as a Pentecostal Bible teacher, what do YOU love about the holiday of Pentecost? Is it the speaking in tongues bit?
Shawn: Oh I do love that, and I can speak in tongues and code switch with the best of them. But Pentecost isn’t just about talking.
Sarah: O?
Shawn: In the book of Genesis, there's a story about the Tower of Babel. Everyone starts SPEAKING in other languages. At Pentecost, everyone starts HEARING different languages.
Sarah: So Pentecost’s about listening?
Shawn: Yes. Especially to people who are different from you. It’s one of the most inclusive moments of the entire Bible.
Sarah: God does say they’ll pour out the Spirit on ALL people.
Shawn: Yes. God does not discriminate.
Sarah: So, unlike Christmas and Easter where we focus on Jesus and his life and divinity, Pentecost is about everybody. That makes it a kind of subversive text. It wasn’t just the religious leaders or the scholars or the good, pious followers of the faith whom God connected to. The Spirit came to everyone.
Shawn: Exactly. And it’s happening now. Pentecost is an everyday occurrence. God continues to pour out His Spirit on ALL people.
Sarah: Even women who wanna preach?
Shawn: All people.
Sarah: What about people who dropped out of high school?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: People who think there's only one kind of “football”?
Shawn: Even people who play fantasy football.
Sarah: What about people with disabilities and neurodivergent people?
Shawn: All people.
Sarah: Polyamorous people?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: People who dress their dogs up on days other than Halloween?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: Vegetarians, CrossFit fanatics, and people who order pizza with no sauce?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: Men who wear bright pink suits to church?
Shawn: All
Undocumented immigrants?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: People who clap on the 1 and the 3 when the music clearly calls for clapping on the 2 and 4?
Shawn: All.
Sarah: What about trans people, intersex people, nonbinary people, men, women, gay folks, lesbians bisexuals, asexuals?
Shawn: All, all, all, all.
Sarah: Aromantic and pansexual people?
Shawn: ALL. And everyone you didn't name.
Sarah: Even people who make their grits the wrong way?
Shawn: You’re testing me, Pastor Sarah. But yes, God does not discriminate. The Spirit was given to everyone.
Sarah: So what I’m hearing is that on Pentecost, we remember there’s no gatekeeper of God’s love. And we listen because God is still speaking.
Shawn: And God is speaking love.
Sarah: Cause if it ain’t love
Shawn: It ain’t God.
This video is intersectional. It amplifies the voices of an African American man, but it also uses his male voice to affirm the value of women and LGBTQ+ individuals.
Note that we use different pronouns for God: I use "they/them" and Shawn uses "He/Him." This is a subtle but intentional indicator to the audience that even though people come from different social locations and theological traditions, they can still proclaim love and learn from one another.
Shawn also introduces the concept of "code-switching" as a variation of "speaking in tongues." This thought-provoking statement is meant to generate more conversation about the unique challenges of navigating white spaces as a Black man.
Shawn and I collaborate regularly, and it has not always been easy or comfortable. In addition to having to balance our different sound and lighting setups in the video editor, we also have to navigate the power dynamics that come with our different races, genders, ages, and educational backgrounds. We are consistently mindful of those dynamics and speak openly about them.
On TikTok, you can "stitch" or "duet" a video, allowing you to repost someone else's video while showing your reactions. This is a way to show others' videos to your own audience, who may not otherwise see them.
You can see an example of a duet at minute 1:50 on the video ("TikTok and Reels for Beginners - What should I post?").
You can also share others' videos to other platforms or post them to your "Story" (also available on Instagram).
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